CCW Safe Podcast- Episode 85: Jacob Paulsen of ConcealedCarry.com

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Rob High: Hi, welcome to the CCW Safe podcast. I’m Rob High in Oklahoma City joined by our COO with CCW Safe, Stan Campbell. As usual, Phillip Naman is joining us. He’s out in Arizona today, and our very special guest, Jacob Paulsen from concealedcarry.com. Phill and I have been touching base on an awful lot of things, training-related, even above and beyond just firearm stuff. I really was so impressed last year with the Guardian conference that Jacob put on in Oklahoma City.

I wanted to have a moment to talk with him about that today. He’s got a killer lineup again, just absolute top-shelf instruction for anything and everything you could think of, handgun-related, medical-related, less-lethal related. Jacob, welcome, brother. We are so happy to have you.

Jacob Paulsen: Thanks for having boys. I’m excited.

Rob: Tell us a little bit about the turnout we had last year for Guardian Nation, that was fantastic.

Jacob: The Guardian conference is a three-day training event. We’re not the first people to have the concept, so we’re not reinventing the wheel here. The idea is that people get to show up and for three days, they get to take four-hour class blocks. A person might take six or seven of these class blocks over the course of three days and we’re bringing in the best instructors in the game. Instead of having to travel around the country to get to some of these top-tier instructors who are often very expensive and that might take [unintelligible 00:01:49] many years to hit your favorite list, the idea is that you’re coming to one place in a single weekend, you’re getting at least to try it out, to test from the buffet and see some of these top tier instructors.

Last year, 2021 was our first year in Oklahoma City there, which was great to do at your guys’ backyard. That was absolutely fantastic. CCW Safe was very supportive of that event. We had just shy of about 100 people at that event, which for our first year, we were pretty happy about that. Everyone had a fantastic experience. We got a lot of feedback from people about how it went, both written survey type feedback, as well as some video interviews that were conducted by your team. Yes, we were thrilled.

Rob: You didn’t get to make it out there, did you?

Stan Campbell: No, I was busy. You know what? I was working behind the scenes though, just trying to make sure that everything was coordinated properly and that both teams work cohesively. It really was a great event. All of the after-action information that I received, I was really pleased with. We enjoy working with Jacob and his team. It’s always nice when the synergy is right between two businesses that you can put on an event like that, and for the first time, have it as successful as it was. We were really pleased about it.

Rob: I was amazed at the level of instruction available altogether in one spot. Even in a year of COVID, we lost an instructor last minute, and Jacob had another guy of his team, Matt Marister that plugged in and do it. I don’t know how much better it could have been than what Matt did. He stepped in and was just Johnny on the spot, did a phenomenal job. I got to watch some of his classes. Riley Bowman, Riley is absolute top-shelf guy, Matt Little.

Matt came from a military background with special forces training, several deployments, but he was also a Chicago cop. In a lot of their training was a SWAT guy. These are all guys that don’t just tell you about it. They’ll step out there and they’ll show you that skillset. These are things that are really important when you’re trying to find really good quality instruction. The guys that can actually do it. “This is what we’re going. This is how we’re taking these steps.”

Even Bryan Eastridge, Bryan’s one of the kids that came through one of my police academies. I’m not accredited with Bryan’s shooting skills, that’s something he developed long before he came to us. To be able to step in and Riley does it, Bryan does it, it bust up some myths that you have always heard about shooting. They just prove you wrong and they have you do these things. It’s like, “Oh, my gosh, I’ve worried so much about these things and all of a sudden, I spent four hours of my weekend and suddenly, I am walking away a better shooter.” That was really cool.

Jacob: That’s the beautiful thing about an event like that is you get so many perspectives. In fact, we had one person who, on day two, was frustrated like, “Listen, here’s the second day of the event, I’ve taken only three classes so far, but all three of the classes I took, I got a very different instruction on how to do XYZ thing and the thing is irrelevant. This instructor told me to do it this way. This instructor said, ‘No, do it this way.’ Which one do I do?”

I was like, “Thank you for validating the event.” That’s exactly why you’re here. That’s the point is that when you stopped drinking from the same Kool-Aid cup your whole life, when you’re just going to the same instructor the whole time and go to the same academy the whole time, you’ll only get one perspective, you’ll only get one method, you only get one explanation for why it’s done that way. That’s the beautiful thing about this buffet-style training.

I wouldn’t suggest that this is the only training someone should get where you’re getting four-hour blocks for different people. There is value from an immersive training environment where you spent two or three days with the same instructor, but this is a unique opportunity that’s hard to find elsewhere where you are getting different perspective, where people are saying, “Well, here’s the advantage of doing it like this.”

It was really interesting, you could have spent the afternoon on the line with spencer [inaudible 00:06:53] draw from appendix, and then the next morning, you’re in the indoors with Todd Fossey doing wall clinch fighting, combatants. Now, you’re testing those things that you just learned on the live range with Spencer, and now, you’re saying, “How does this technique that I practiced yesterday hold up what I’m grappling with somebody?” That’s the value of that kind of event.

Phillip Naman: I always just default straight to the Charlie’s Angels.

[laughter]

Jacob: All problems are solved if you just pick Wick or Bond or Bourne or somebody and you just do what they do and that’s worst.

Rob: [chuckles] I’m looking at the lineup that we’ve got currently set up for this year. You got Chuck Haggard, Mickey Schuch, Riley Bowman, again. Matt Little, again. Wayne Dobbs is committed this year. Todd Fossey is back with us. Bryan Eastridge is back with us. Samuel Middlebrook, Bryan McLaughlin, and AJ– is that Zito?

Jacob: Zito, correct.

Rob: AJ is the only one that I’m personally not familiar with.

Jacob: You’re going to love AJ, bruh. He’s a competitive shooter. He’s a national champion in single stack. He’s a skilled shooter, but he’s probably, in my opinion, one of the top experts right now on shooting with a red dot. Most people are familiar with Scott Jedlinski. AJ Zito is an associate of, or you might say, an assistant to Scott Jedlinski. He works with and puts on most of Scott’s classes with him. He’s the AI for most of Scott’s classes. He’s a certified to teach Scott Jedlinski’s curriculum, but independent of Scott.

He’s just an amazing instructor in a number of things, but specifically, I think he’s best known for his work with a red dot. I’ve seen him instruct. I’ve been on the range with him, he’s really a phenomenal dude. He’s also a gunsmith. He makes custom 2011s, 1911s. This is what he does full time. I think he’s one of the foremost experts right now on transitioning to and working with the red dot.

Rob: I’m super excited about that then. I’ve been wanting to take a class like that. I was so plugged in and busy behind the scenes last year that I really didn’t get to insert and get anything. I picked up an awful lot audibly, but I didn’t get any reps actually on the line. I’d like to also shout out to Oklahoma City Gun Club for allowing us to have that event out at their location. It’s 1 mile by 1 mile big, huge facility with multiple ranges on it so everybody had plenty of room and plenty of opportunity to get reps downline and actually, practice the things that they were being taught.

Jacob: They’re great hosts, just great hosts.

Rob: Awesome facility.

Jacob: The nice thing too is, in September in Oklahoma City, it could be 90 degrees and hot, or it could be 65 degrees and raining. That facility, they let us use the cowboy option part of the range, as well as the muzzleloader bays, a couple of other parts of the range. Every single pistol bay has a covering so that when you’re doing the instruction, when the instructors are talking, hey, you can be in the shade, or you could be out of the rain if it was raining.

It’s just a really nice facility. I like the old Western-style of that cowboy action bay. I love the idea that, “Hey, your next class is down at the saloon or down at the OKC corral.” It’s fun. “Be in the morning at the bar,” like that. It’s just a really nice, high-quality facility. They’re very gracious hosts. They really worked with us to make sure that we could put that on. Frankly, Oklahoma City is a very good quality central location. You have a good airport. It’s not far from that range. Hotels and lodging are not expensive. It’s just really functional for this event.

Stan: Hey, Jacob, real quick, because we have a lot of new members since the last time you’ve been here, could you just tell the audience about your company, and then about Guardian Nation what that means and who all can attend your conference?

Jacob: This is always a hard one. I practice in the mirror trying to explain what my company does in a concise manner because I feel like it’s a long speech. Concealedcarry.com which is the mothership or the big brand under which we operate, is primarily meant to be a resource to American gun owner space. We’re a media company. We have full-time writers. We publish three or four podcast episodes a week across different channels.

We have full-time video people. We’re very active on YouTube, and those kinds of things. We have a mobile app that houses a lot of the tools, we’ve reciprocity map resources, legal reference material. If you want to know, does Alabama have magazine limitations or duty to retreat law, you can find that on our website or in our app. That’s the main core of that brand. Beyond the informational side of things, concealedcarry.com [unintelligible 00:12:20] e-commerce company. We sell products. We sell some of our own products, as well as a lot of name-brand company products. We sell SureFire and Streamlight. We sell SIG Sauer and Burris Optics.

I’m not going to keep going. I think we have over 100 brands represented for products for sale on concealedcarry.com. We have a large educational footprint of our business. We work with currently over 50 instructors in 26 different states. We teach in-person firearm training classes. We sell a number of online courses, the DVDs. Guardian Nation, Stan, as you mentioned, is our membership product. Guardian Nation is a membership product. It costs $38.45 a month. That’s 38 special, 45 ACP. That’s how we came up with that.

It’s 38.45 a month, and that includes unlimited access to what we call Guardian University, which is an online interface of video training, full-length courses on things like vehicle fire-tactics, use of cover home defense, any number of different training programs that are involved there, as well as the person gets some discounts when they shop on our online store, as well as from some of our partners like [unintelligible 00:13:28].

Also, they receive a subscription box style box of physical products in the mail four times a year, that’s worth at least what they pay for the membership. Each box is worth at least $120, worth of retail value. That’s Guardian Nation. Then outside of that, we have some other brands that our company owns or operates about. Mountain Man Medical is one of those, Ready Up Gear, RangeTech shot timer. That’s one of our companies, one of our brands. BarrelBlok is a recent brand that we acquired as a company. We do some manufacturing. We have a lot of our own products that fall into some of these other brands that we operate.

Stan: Awesome, thank you.

Jacob: As far as the event, I should have answered that question. We were talking about Guardian conference and all the information can be filed at guardianconference.com. Anyone’s welcome to attend Guardian conference. It’s a public event. You just got to pay the money and show up. That said, it certainly is significantly discounted for Guardian Nation members. The price to attend Guardian conference is going to vary on the low end at $450 on the high end, the most you could pay would be $750.

That’s a $300 gap, really that sound like a significant gap. Basically, the sooner you sign up, the cheaper it is. We have early bird pricing earlier in the year. The event is in September. If you sign up earlier, you save some money, and Guardian Nation members also get a pretty significant discount $150 to $200 incremental discount beyond the early bird discount. Frankly, anytime someone signs up at the full price, I’m like, “What were you thinking, man? You could have joined Guardian Nation for one month and then canceled the membership and just used that to save $150 on the event.” Pay full price for the event doesn’t make sense. You just take advantage of our membership and then cancel if you don’t enjoy it. It’d still be financially prudent.

Stan: That’s right. I spent some time out in California with Phill Naman. He took me to one of his ranges. We have some interesting times because Phill is a special character.

[laughter]

Stan: What do you think about training, Phill? What do you think about training?

Philip: I love it. I think one of the things you guys brought up earlier, that I think is really important when you look at who the new shooters are, and how many people in my age group are finally getting into firearms and the optics and optics-ready firearms are, I think, just going to the roof because a guy hits 45 years old, and he breaks out the 1911. “Oh, I haven’t shot this in a while,” and he goes, “How come there’s no sights on this gun? What happened to it?” I think training with optics is really something that would peak a lot of interest because so many people are just saying, “Hey, give me the red dot, I want to be able to see what I’m doing.”

Jacob: I think of it like the automatic transmission of today’s guns. There was a transitionary time, probably about when I was learning to drive and I won’t tell anyone how old I am. When I was learning to drive, there was still the stigma of [unintelligible 00:16:25], “We got to teach everybody to drive on a stick shift. Then we’ll move ’em over to an automatic transmission.” Today, that’s silly. No one would go find some stick shift car and teach their 16-year-old how to drive. That’d be ridiculous.

Philip says he still does it. More or less, you’re just like, “Yes, I don’t even know where I would find a stick shift car.” You just teach people. That’s how I look at iron sights and red dots today on handguns. We’re in a transitionary period, but 10 years from now it’ll be like iron sights. We can talk about that after we’ve taught you how to draw a gun, how to grip a gun, how to present to a target, and how to have only one focal plane of view instead of three.

Let’s build some of those skills and build them well. Then we can come back and talk about, “If your red dot fails, this is how you use the iron sights as a backup.” That’s what I think will happen 10 years from now, but today, we’re in this transitionary time. I got to tell you, I’m one of those stubborn people who’s having a hard time transitioning because I don’t want to do it without the instruction. I want to go to take the classroom from AJ or one of these guys and have them tell me what I don’t know so that I feel more confident in transitioning to the dot.

Rob: I think that’s a great point. I got myself a retirement gift when I left the police department. I got a little sig P365XL.

Philip: Just one?

Rob: Just a red dot.

Philip: Just one gift?

Rob: Well, that was one of my gifts, Phill. Don’t judge. I worked really hard. I’ve put a couple of rounds downrange to it. I’ve not really spent a great deal of time with it because I don’t want to build in poor reps. I get so frustrated when I hear those people out there go, “Practice makes perfect.” That’s absolutely incorrect. I actually stole this from one of our members that had wrote in and commented on our content. His line was practice makes permanent.

I was like, “Oh, gosh, man.” We’ve seen that in self-defense things. We’ve seen hand-to-hand things. We’ve seen that in firearms things. Perfect practice makes perfect. You have to have the proper instruction and to be able to have an event like this that has this wide range of all kinds of levels. You’ve got competition guys. You’ve got military guys. You’ve got law enforcement guys, you’ve got guys that have none of those backgrounds, but they have a great love for shooting and they have an aptitude for teaching. It’s just like the perfect location to get a little bit of all of it. So many guys get locked into that. Well, Phill Naman is my instructor, and he doesn’t like–

Philip: Just poor, poor people.

[laughter]

Rob: When you got a guy that’s doing it for a living, you get those guys that try to hold on to you. I think it’s really important to find out when’s the last time the guy you’re going to see had instruction? Who’s he seeing to get an instruction? If you’re not always working on your craft and evolving in this game, you’re going backwards.

Stan: That’s true. I recently, for the first time, Phill, I guess I don’t have friends like Rob, but I just got gifted for Christmas a 9-millimeter with a red dot from my business partner, Kyle. I was on SWAT for 10 years and I’m pretty decent shooter but when I tempted for the first time to have a red dot on my handgun, I’ve done with the rifle which is real simple for me, but with a handgun, it’s a different beast.

Phillip: Where is it?

Stan: Exactly. I’m just trying to find the dot. I said, “What’s going on? All I see is just a red shade,” and finding the dot, I really had to come to grips with I need instruction because this is not just, you can turn it on, there’s a dot and then just go for it. Now, of course, eventually, I was able to shoot with it but there’s no way that– It’s okay to not know because even if you’re a medium to decent to not expert, but just short of that shooter, there’s a big difference between iron sight and going red dot. You just have to accept it and get proper instruction.

I’m actually looking forward to this. Hopefully, Phill, you are coming in September, right? to join us. I’m going to be right next to you, so to make sure I watch you, so nobody gets hurt. I’m really looking forward to this conference. I’m actually going to be able to go this time. I’m really happy.

Jacob: Well, we learned a lot for the first year, we were definitely short-handed, we didn’t know how much volunteer, labor, and help we were going to need. We learned a ton. I’d like to believe that the average attendee didn’t realize how crazy we were behind the scenes, Rob knows how crazy we were behind the scenes but we learned a lot, and we’re going to be a lot more organized, a lot more efficient, a lot more effective this year. Hopefully, a lot more people are– that’ll benefit everybody’s attending and certainly, our great partners like you guys.

The biggest challenge for this event and this important message for anybody who’s considering coming, the biggest challenge that we have on our end for this kind of event, is making it so that anybody can come and get high return on investment, that someone can come– Spouses come, a husband, wife, and one of them maybe is very novice with guns, that could be the dude, by the way, we shouldn’t be sexist,-

Phillip: Usually, it is.

Jacob: -and so he’s going to have very specific line of instruction that he needs. Whereas the other spouse, maybe is a training junkie. They get 40 hours a year traveling all around the country, seeing all the celebrity instructors, they have a very different set of things that they need to learn. That’s the biggest challenge on us. For this event is making sure that both those people can come and get an extremely high return on their investment. Dude, we had two different lowlight classes we put on last year and that’s not for the beginner, that’s not for somebody who is uncomfortable coming out of a holster. We don’t want you doing that in the dark, but you’re still trying to get that draw stroke down.

That’s the biggest challenge on us and that’s something that we’re committed to. This is what I tell people, if they say, “I don’t know if I should come to this event.” “Listen, if you’re comfortable going to a gun range, loading your gun, shooting it at paper, unloading your gun, packing it up, and taking it home again, you’re good. That’s the minimum required skill.”

Phillip: Nobody yelled at you.

Jacob: Right. Some guy in a bright orange or yellow vest didn’t come give you a talking to, then we’re good. You can come to this event and we’ll help you through it. We try and have people self-identify their skill level in advance, we do the survey and we have people choose what classes they want to take. There’s always going to be some people that just doesn’t work out. That happened last year, we had some people, they start out in the class on day one, and it becomes quickly evident, like they are out of their depth.

They’re in the wrong place, we need to yank them out and go put them over with this guy or with this instructor. That’s going to happen, that’s okay. That doesn’t mean you’re a bad person or that we’re bad people. It’s just inevitably the way this works. If you’re listening to this, I want you to know wherever you’re at, we will meet you there and you will get a return on your investment.

Rob: That’s a perfect thing to throw in there. I witnessed that. There were some guys that were just truly not. They didn’t have the elementary skill sets to do some of the intermediate things that were being presented and that’s like the first class they jumped into, and finally, it was like, “Oh, wait, no, no, you’ve got to get over here and build this thing first.” I think that was presented to those people in such a way that it wasn’t like anybody felt like they were getting smacked down.

It was just like not really understanding how to evaluate their own personal skill set prior to coming out, and then once you see, it’s like, “Oh, my goodness. Yes,” but it’s not like you’re walking into hell week for trying to make a SEAL Team or something. It’s gentle and the pace is just right, I didn’t see anybody that was moving at warp speed and leaving people behind, it was so well done and the level of instruction was good. It was a great collection, I was impressed with it.

Phillip: The other part on that is some instructors are better at instructing a certain level. When I’m teaching, I really like to take novices, people who not sure which end is the pointy end out of the box. We do classroom instruction, and then we take them to the range, and they’ll shoot the guns but we started with like a 22 mark one and we work up. By the end, they’re doing great. They’re hitting their bull’s eyes, we’ve diagnosed all the problems, but it’s a long, slow event. Now, if Rob showed up at that, he’d be like– but it’s not for him. Some instructors are going to be, “Hey, here’s your running gun.”

Others are, “This is how you set up your foundations and your basics.” Everybody needs to learn where they need to go and certain instructors are great at doing this and they’re not good at explaining because they’re always teaching the high end. Another thing is find the right instructor who’s in there for the [unintelligible 00:26:39].

Jacob: People stay in their wheelhouse, right? For example, at this event, I don’t instruct. In case anyone’s curious. I am not one of the instructors at this event because it’s out of my wheelhouse. I recognize that while I may or may not be capable of teaching some things to some people, I’m not the best at teaching any of the things that we need to present here. We’re bringing it, like we’ve mentioned AJ Zito specifically. We’re bringing him in because we know we need red dot instructor. That’s something that we need. We’re bringing in Brian McLaughlin, because we do trauma medical instruction, and that he’s the best in the game.

We’re bringing in Brian Eastridge because if you need to master fundamental manipulation of a gun skills, he’s really good at– that’s his wheelhouse. I appreciate you saying that, Phillip, because that’s the balance that we have to try and achieve.

Stan: Hey, real quick, Jacob, you mentioned the instructor that’s coming in to teach the trauma and what to do in medical emergencies. Can you give us a little bit more about that and why it’s so important, especially for those who carry concealed to have this skill set, to seek out this type of instruction, and to know what to do in case they get hurt or even they hurt someone else.

Jacob: I’ll try to do that without getting on a soapbox because I’m pretty passionate about this. The good news is as an industry, by industry, I mean the armed civilian community, I’m concealedcarry.com. That’s my universe is the armed civilian is putting a gun in their pants or walking around with it every day. Very similar to CCW Safe’s target audience. In that community, the good news is, I think, that medical preparedness is getting a lot more attention than it did, say, a decade ago, or even five years ago. We’re talking about it more, the word is getting out more, but the bad news is it’s still way behind it. I know it’s behind because one, I see that there’s not a lot of companies out there selling the gear and when there’s business opportunity, the companies arrive.

We know that there’s still limited available market there. Your average farm instructor is not teaching any emergency medical instruction, which tells me that we’re still behind. This is crazy because none of us justify carrying around a gun every day because the odds are high we’re going to need it. That would be ridiculous. We’re just not going to do that, but we carry a gun everyday because the stakes are high if we do need it, because we’re talking about life and death, right? Well, take a pause and think about emergency medical trauma. We’re in a situation where we talked about medical where the stakes are just as high as the gun.

We’re still talking about life and death but the odds are greater than the gun. We’re much more likely to need the trauma skills and gear than we are the gun and gear and skills. Are you more likely to get carjacked or be in a serious car accident? That’s easy to answer. All of us know the answer. You’re way more likely to be in the car accident. If you ever have to use a gun, you’re definitely going to need medical skills but there’s a large number of situations where you might need medical skills where no gun is necessary required. That’s how we look at that. It’s like if you’re a responsible gun owner, you have emergency medical skills and gear, but you also look at that realistically understanding that it’s something you’re more likely to need to utilize your life than the gun, frankly.

There’s some good news though. There’s some really good news here. The first piece of good news is that medical trauma education is way easier than gun education. We’re talking about boy scout level of skills required, 12-year-olds could master this. For sure, adults can too. That’s the first piece of good news. Then the second piece of good news is in terms of timeliness, it’s not as urgent. If I have to go run to my car and get my trauma kit, and then come back to the scene and that takes me 60 seconds.

That’s an acceptable response time for medical. Whereas if I can run to my car to get my gun and come back and deal with a life-threatening attack, there’s no point, it’s over now. There’s some good news when it comes to medical, but I think it’s an underrated skill.

Rob: Well, that was a perfect segue there, Stan. That’s something that is super, super important to all of us. Even back, Christmas time, that was something that came into our office was, I don’t remember which kit it was–

Jacob: Yellowstone.

Rob: the Yellowstone kit. Yes. We all have those. I’ve already had these things that I carry with me. Jacob and his guys have been kind enough to put a little thing together for our members. Good stuff is never cheap and they’re going to help our members out and give you an opportunity to come in and buy the right stuff. There’s a lot of counterfeit crap out there too. I would not trust just going online and buying stuff off Amazon. I love Amazon, they have a regular route to my house, but it’s not for my medical stuff. You want to give us a little quick thing on that there, Jacob.

Jacob: Yes. A couple of considerations when you’re buying medical gear. Obviously, hopefully, goes without saying you need the education as much as you need the product. Education is not hard to obtain. In fact, mountainmanmedical.com, you can take an online course from us and CCWC Safe members can get that course for free. We’ll come back to that in a minute. As far as the gear goes, between the Department of Defense, today’s law enforcement, and TCCC and et cetera. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be using proven, tested medical components. There’s way too much data on a select number of products that we now know work consistently reliably all the time.

It just doesn’t make sense to go test the waters with some random piece of crap from China or Taiwan or from Amazon, which is where a lot of stuff is coming from. To your point, Rob, a lot of is stuff is counterfeit. It’s meant to look like it might even say it is a genuine article and it’s not. At mountainmanmedical.com, we only sell name brand, proven tested components, no reinventing the wheel. We don’t bring in any of our own products and white label it. You’re getting stuff from North American Rescue. from Tactical Medical Solutions, from HGH Medical, from Combat Medical, from Dynarex, from companies that fuel and supply the US military and law enforcement [unintelligible 00:33:23] country.

Products that we know are proven and tested and that they work reliably. We do it cheaper than anyone else. I just don’t know how else to put that like that. That is our whole business model. Build trauma kits with name, brand, tested proven components and sell them for less money than anyone else. We can get away with doing that for a couple of reasons. Then CCWC members could save an additional 15%. You just go to mountainmanmedical.com/ccwsafe, there’s a nice little message on there from Stan and Mike. You can see there all the products are discounted by 15%. They’re already the cheapest thing out there, and then an additional 15% [unintelligible 00:34:03] members.

Stan: Awesome.

Rob: Yes. We can’t thank you enough for that, brother. That is such a big deal. That’s where I’m going to go load up.

Jacob: Absolutely.

Stan: Well, Rob, thank you for having me. It’s my first time on your podcast now that I had to take a sidestep. It’s awesome to enjoy my friend Phill Naman and Jacob Paulsen. I’m really happy about your– You’ve been gracious and taking care of our members as well, Jacob.

Jacob: Absolutely.

Rob: Yes, and truly, if you guys have the opportunity and the means to pop over, go to concealedcarry.com, check out that site. There is tons of great information on it. Hit the Guardian Nation link. Check that out. Check out Guardian conference. If you can make that conference, I’m telling you, it is absolutely worth the price of admission. It’s fantastic.

Phillip: Rob, could you repeat the dates of the conference?

Rob: Yes. It’s September 16, 17, 18, in Oklahoma City. Those are full days. Breakfast is provided, lunch is provided. Expect to sleep well, at the end of each of those days. They’re legit training days.

Phillip: Especially if you’re hanging out with Stan.

Stan: That’s right. We’re all going to be here. Come hang out with us and train with us.

Rob: For sure. Stan, you got any little takeaways there for us real quick?

Stan: No, my takeaways is just an appreciation of the information and what Jacob has done for us. I’m really happy about that. It’s a great partnership and we’re glad to be able to host the Guardian Nation conference.

Rob: Jacob, thank you so much, brother. I can’t wait to see you guys again.

Jacob: My pleasure.

Rob: Are you going to make it in April, will we see you?

Jacob: I’ll see you in April as well.

Rob: Fantastic. Looking forward to that. Again, we tell everybody that we always welcome your critiques, criticisms, questions, suggestions. You can reach me directly at rob@ccwsafe.com. We thank everybody for joining us today and we look forward to seeing you next time. Bye-bye. Thank you.

Stan: Be safe.

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