Gun Talk Nation Podcast: Force-on-Force Reality with Julie Golob and Fred Mastison

In this episode of Gun Talk Nation, host Ryan Gresham sits down with legends Julie Golob and Fred Mastison as they walk through real-world force-on-force scenarios sponsored by CCW Safe. These aren’t textbook engagements — they’re messy, evolving, morally heavy, and legally loaded.

What tipped points get you to draw? Shoot?

How do you balance de-escalation, emotional burden, and post-incident fallout?

Expect:

• Raw discussion about regret, hesitation, and mental scars

• A closer look at what civilian concealed carriers rarely consider

• Breakdowns of simulated assaults, home intrusions, and unexpected role-player interactions

• What CCW Safe teaches about the aftermath, not just the firefight

• Legal, civil, and emotional dimensions you didn’t know you needed to think about